Concrete ring trig points and a Wainwright error?

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Concrete ring trig points and a Wainwright error?

Postby sphinx2 » Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:28 am

The question is - has Wainwright wrongly assigned a ring to Yarlside when there exists a concrete ring at Seat Robert, as per http://trigpointing.uk/trig/7368

I attach the relevant pages from the book, and the question is driven by a Wainwright enthusiast who says he is hardly ever wrong.

Does anyone have a definitive answer? Or do we have any Lake District walkers who could visit the location to check? (I am 300 miles away so not likely to check myself.)

Regards, sphinx2
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Re: Concrete ring trig points and a Wainwright error?

Postby Painterman61 » Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:10 am

Hello there sphinx2 I'm afraid your friend is wrong as there are two concrete rings one at each location .There are logs on T:UK for both of these I know because I have done them both plus by accident all the concrete rings that have been found in UK think I was the first to do so hope this helps.
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Re: Concrete ring trig points and a Wainwright error?

Postby sphinx2 » Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:27 pm

Dear Painterman61,

Many thanks for the prompt and informative reply. I will reassure my Wainwright enthusiast and correct my other 'expert'

Best wishes, sphinx2
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Re: Concrete ring trig points and a Wainwright error?

Postby sphinx2 » Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:45 pm

Dear painterman61,

Back again - my phone number is 01344 772303.

Give me a call sometime to exchange email addresses, and if you are inclined, to chat more about trig points.

Regards, Doug
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Re: Concrete ring trig points and a Wainwright error?

Postby Painterman61 » Sat Jul 22, 2017 2:21 pm

Sure Doug will be in touch just glad i could help
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Re: Concrete ring trig points and a Wainwright error?

Postby ted » Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:49 am

A list of Concrete Rings known to TrigpointingUK can be found here: http://trigpointing.uk/trigs/view-trigs.php?q=1848817

I suspect that there are more to be found :)
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Re: Concrete ring trig points and a Wainwright error?

Postby sphinx2 » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:53 am

Dear Ted,

Thanks for the link although I had looked at this a week or so ago, and because Yarlside was not listed, assumed that the great Wainwright was in error. Perhaps the list needs updating, ...by the webmaster...?

OS would surely, in days of yore, have had a list of the rings. If so, the list may be hard to track down. For example, when I wanted to find out the installation date of a local TP, OS told me that such records had been shipped to the National Archives at Kew. Best wishes, Sphinx2
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Re: Concrete ring trig points and a Wainwright error?

Postby ted » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:29 am

Hi,


OS would surely, in days of yore, have had a list of the rings.


I suspect not. 'Concrete Ring' is a baggers term and AFAIK doesn't appear in the OS records.
I think the OS do sometimes refer them as detector rings but the station type is listed as a
block (or buried block).

For example, when I wanted to find out the installation date of a local TP, OS told me that such records had been shipped to the National Archives at Kew.


and unfortunately, few if any station records at Kew have been digitised. A few details are available, for example
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r/?_q=os69+%22nine+Standards%22&x=0&y=0&_sd=yyyy&_ed=yyyy
but The National Archive fee for providing a scanned copy is extortionate. There are alternatives, for example,
https://www.arcre.com/copyservice

REgards
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Re: Concrete ring trig points and a Wainwright error?

Postby sphinx2 » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:59 am

Dear Ted,

I have used Kew in the past on another topic, but I got the impression from my contact at OS that such records about TPs, etc, could be loose papers in boxes, rather than everything in tidy files! I suspect a visit would be essential. Doug
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Re: Concrete ring trig points and a Wainwright error?

Postby Painterman61 » Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:29 am

Wow Ted what a post how do you know all this information would be great to find out about more of these stations,the curry stools are interesting as well to yet to visit a lot of these.I noticed most of these rings seem to be in the Cumbria area the best one i visited many times is on Blencathra where the station is perched on the edge of Halls fell ridge at the summit.Perhaps we should all pool together funds to get a print out from the National Archives.
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