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TP3548 - Gwynydd Bach
 
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Condition :
Possibly missing Possibly missing
Flush Bracket :
2986
OSGB36 Station :
PP72
Current use :
none
Historic use :
T:UK waypoint :
TP3548
County :
Powys
Nearest town :
HAY ON WYE

OSGB36 trig archive spreadsheet - IW
Trig NameOriginal NameNew NameEASTINGNORTHINGHEIGHTORDERTYPE OF MARKComputing DateCLASS OF LEVELLINGDate of LevellingLEVELLING DATUMDESTROYED MARK INDICATORCOMMENTS
Gwynydd BachPP72PP072321539.30229973.250.0001BLOCK01/06/193600Replaces pillar 08/70
Gwynydd BachPP72PP072321539.30229973.25811.0721PILLAR01/06/1936201/06/1952N1Replaced by block 08/70

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There are 46 photos for this trigpoint (view album).

This trigpoint:
Is ranked joint 6999th with 144 other trigs (more).
Has a mean score of 5.30/10 (from 64 logged visits)
Was First logged: 10th Mar 1984
Was Last found intact: 22nd May 2010
Was Last logged: 7th Sep 2018

Of the 64 logged visits,
12 recorded a location and of these....

All were within 47m
The average error was 12m
The closest was 1m

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Possibly missing 7th Sep 2018  12:00  by newestindustry

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Possibly missing  Score: 7/10


Possibly missing 12th May 2018  12:10  by The Coachmans Pair

Gridref: SO 21538 29996   FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Possibly missing  Score: 5/10

Doing the Big Black Mountain Challenge today so decided to collect the trigs along the way. Ten hours and two minutes from start to finish on an ideal day for walking. Just an OS stud at ground level.

All that is left Trigpoint missing, just a stud at ground level.©The Coachmans Pair


Possibly missing 13th May 2017  12:54  by Captainbob542

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Possibly missing  Score: 5/10

Bagged while doing the Black Mountain Challenge. Nothing visible here.


Remains 1st Dec 2016  08:21  by g4wsb

Gridref: SO 21554 29974   FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Remains  Score: 8/10

SOTA GW/SW-001. Good walk from west ground hard hard frost. Not sure about where this concrete is old trig.

©g4wsb
©g4wsb
©g4wsb


Not Logged 15th Oct 2016  11:15  by AsherMarley

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Not Logged  Score: 5/10

not sure if this is the remains Not sure if it is the pillar remains, was in exact spot where pillar should be


Destroyed 18th Sep 2016  14:00  by Richofsebast

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Destroyed  Score: 7/10

Really enjoyed the walk up from Grwyne Fawr car park via Gadair Fawr. Mission was to find the fallen over trig pillar - but it's gone. Presumably taken away when they were carrying out work on the surrounding paths. Lovely views over the Hay valley.

Where the Pillar Wasnt ©Richofsebast
Wonderful Walk ©Richofsebast


Not Logged 15th Sep 2016  14:10  by ltrc

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Not Logged  Score: 5/10


Remains 14th Aug 2016  15:11  by Griefmiester

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Remains  Score: 6/10

Parking on the Gospel Pass then over Lord Herifords Knob/Twmpa, Rhos Dirion, Pen-Y-Manllwyn, Waun Fach, Pen-Y Gadair Fawr, Back Via Gryne Fawr, Rhiw-Y-Fan, back over Lord Herifords Knob/Twmpa. The Converted Pillar has gone, there is however a lump of concrete in the same location, not sure if remains, but cant think why else concrete would be there? There is also another lump a few meters to the SW (ish) that does not look OS but it has got a "Bolt" type thing on it. Thoughts? Amazing walk and views today.

It has gone!!
Remians??
What is this? lookslike some form of "Bolt"


Moved 13th Aug 2016  13:51  by Stevie Boy

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Moved  Score: 7/10

Waun Fach, highest point in the Black M'tains, 811m. Great walk up via Y Grib from the west. Sadly, due to extensive repair work, the large stone/trig has now gone, just nothing there (that I could see). Chatted to a local lady, who was doing amateur radio, up there. She said that she could remember the pillar itself, years ago, but that the large stone had disappeared recently. Shame, the highest point in the Black M'tains deserves some sort of monument. Views good, we carried on to Pen y Gadair Fawr, at 800m is the 2nd highest point, and the 360 views here were superb. Nice weather, great day - apart from no trig!

No large stone to be seen, just this smaller concrete block 811m
Waun Fach from the south


Possibly missing 6th Aug 2016  11:10  by Juliebfitness

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Possibly missing  Score: 8/10

A tough climb from the Dragons back and upto Waun Fach. Spectacular views all around trig is missing extensive groundwork going on

Gelert & Laika Top of waun fach


Moved 5th Mar 2016  12:31  by underhill

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Moved  Score: 5/10


Remains 26th Aug 2015  17:00  by aetheric

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Remains  Score: 5/10

All I could find was a lump of concrete with one straight casting edge that looked like the lower corner of the pillar.

Surviving remains? Lump of concrete with one cast edge


Not Logged 3rd Jul 2015  16:18  by Robert Kemp

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Not Logged  Score: 5/10


Moved 11th Apr 2015  11:02  by philpb

Gridref: SO 21552 29978   FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Moved  Score: 5/10

Ground work in progress at site

Site


Not Logged 11th Apr 2015  08:50  by richard ball

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Not Logged  Score: 5/10

The remains of this trig point have been removed from the hill as part of a peat land restoration project. The Brecon Beacons National Park Authority is undertaking work to revegetate the exposed peat in this area in order to minimise erosion


Converted 25th Dec 2014  09:21  by g4wsb

Gridref: SO 21542 29979   FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Converted  Score: 8/10

4th visit todate,Christmas walk.

©g4wsb
©g4wsb


Damaged 7th Sep 2014  14:00  by Ramblingpaul

Gridref: SO 21543 29979   FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Damaged  Score: 8/10


Toppled 29th Mar 2014  13:00  by Merthyr_boy

Gridref: SO 21538 29973   FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Toppled  Score: 5/10


Converted 25th Sep 2013  12:28  by Phil Clayton

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Converted  Score: 7/10

Above date is most recent visit of four, first on 07/10/1979. No pillar, just a stone and concrete block, topped with a brass bolt.


Converted 27th May 2013  11:10  by Dusty

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Converted  Score: 7/10

Even more erosion has occurred since previous photographs. The pillars base has toppled over exposing even more of the concrete core which was used to fill the hole dug to reach rock during construction. Bolt in good condition.

Pillar base remains
PKBathrooms & pillar
Bolt


Converted 27th May 2013  11:06  by pkbathrooms

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Converted  Score: 5/10

Visited with Dusty.






Not Logged 3rd May 2013  19:43  by stumoo

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Not Logged  Score: 5/10


Destroyed 17th Jun 2012  12:04  by sickpit

Gridref: SO 21543 29977   FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Destroyed  Score: 5/10

the bog


Destroyed 4th Sep 2010  13:30  by desperate dan

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Destroyed  Score: 5/10

Cycled on forest tracks to 720m so an easy ascent on foot. Too hazy for decent views. Contender for the dullest summit ever.


Destroyed 22nd Aug 2010  10:00  by VBForever

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Destroyed  Score: 3/10


Good condition 22nd May 2010  07:20  by Trigger

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Good  Score: 5/10

TP3548


Destroyed 24th Jan 2010  13:27  by russie and sidekick

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Destroyed  Score: 4/10

not the best day for views although i have been here before on a clear day not the most inspiring summit just foundation remains of the trig


Destroyed 14th Dec 2009  14:00  by Djinnsplace

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Destroyed  Score: 5/10

Got here on a circular walk from the Castle Inn up the ridge line of Y Grib to BBC4 then over a VERY wet “Big Bog”. The wet ground/mud made for slow going, not an enjoyable part of the walk. Started to snow as I enjoyed the views from GZ so did not stay long.


Destroyed 2nd Aug 2009  12:30  by gromitfromhay

Gridref: SO 21543 29977   FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Destroyed  Score: 3/10

No pillar just a blob of concrete with copper nail, makes a change from the usual pillar.



Destroyed 17th Jul 2009  14:17  by martinc

Gridref: SO 21531 29978   FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Destroyed  Score: 5/10

I remember this one when the peat was almost level with the top of the concrete base. Cloud so no view today.


Destroyed 24th May 2009  11:50  by Loz&Bib

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Destroyed  Score: 6/10

At least we had good views the weather is wonderful today and we can see for miles.


Destroyed 23rd May 2009  16:14  by John+Tracey

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Destroyed  Score: 5/10

Very muddy walk to Waun Fach but fun! Trig missing just a boulder left where it once stood!

Waun Fach Tracey on the Summit©John+Tracey
waun fach John on the Summit©John+Tracey


Destroyed 22nd Mar 2009  13:30  by asbown

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Destroyed  Score: 6/10

not much to say that's not been said,at least it was dry underfoot, All the way to this 1 i had seen a steady stream of others walkers and after this not another soul.


Destroyed 22nd Mar 2009  12:40  by theblack

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Destroyed  Score: 7/10


Destroyed 18th Sep 2008  17:00  by Glaslyn

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Destroyed  Score: 5/10

Still gets a five for location .Last of three for the day ,now a long walk back to car with an already tired Spaniel.


Destroyed 13th Jul 2008  17:01  by welshmike

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Destroyed  Score: 2/10

Sorry looking site, just a lump of concrete in a muddy ditch. Views of the surrounding area are good which made up for it.

Waun Fach ©welshmike


Destroyed 8th Jun 2008  12:30  by dugswell2

FB Number: GONE  Condition: Destroyed  Score: 4/10

Lucky that the ground around the concrete remains was very dry today.


Converted 14th May 2008  11:30  by Aye Jimmy

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Converted  Score: 5/10

Just a tilted concrete block, sinking into the mud - completely dry on this occasion. Central bronze stud is pillar replacement?

Gwynydd Bach (Waun Fach) TP - all that is left.
Gwynydd Bach (Waun Fach) Concrete block has a stud.
Gwynydd Bach (Waun Fach) Close-up of stud.


Destroyed 5th Apr 2008  13:00  by weekender

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Destroyed  Score: 5/10

RW, PaulM, Colin, Brett, Danny (MTB)


Destroyed 16th Dec 2007  13:50  by Dobunnis

Gridref: SO 21542 29975   FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Destroyed  Score: 5/10

We walked over from Lord Hereford's Knob via the trigpoint at Rhos Dirion on a cold, frosty, windy morning/afternoon. At least the ground was very dry as it was frozen! It was very misty (or were we in the cloud?) but every now and then we got a good view of the sunshine over the valley as we walked. We did not realise the rock was a trig base until we got back. Amazing to think how much erosion there has been up here.

Carolyn by the trig base... just packing up her amateur radio


Converted 16th Dec 2007  12:07  by jonglew

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Converted  Score: 5/10

A bitterly cold walk up from Pengenffordd, thick hoar frost on the ground and a strong wind blowing. Visibility not too bad but no views across the valleys to east or west.

Wuan Fach Summit TP3548 - No2 Son getting chilly©jonglew


Converted 29th Oct 2007  00:00  by caroleengel

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Converted  Score: 5/10


Converted 29th Oct 2007  00:00  by caroleengel

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Converted  Score: 5/10


Destroyed 21st Oct 2007  11:55  by SidAndBob

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Destroyed  Score: 6/10

Passed by on a circular walk of Grwyne Fawr Reservoir, taking in Bal Mawr, Rhos Dirion, Gwynydd Bach and Crug Mawr trigpoints. Some of the best views I have seen on the way to this trig. My favourite has to be from Mynydd Bychan. Waun Fach itself is a flat peak, but still a great place on a day as (relatively) warm and clear as today. Stones have recently been piled onto the base.

Bob on Waun Fach ©SidAndBob
Very different on 2/7/2017 The bog has currently gone. A path takes you through what was a bog. The pillar base has gone.©SidAndBob


Destroyed 24th Jul 2007  14:42  by mad max

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Destroyed  Score: 6/10


Remains 12th Jul 2007  14:36  by stignest

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Remains  Score: 5/10

Not sure id ever seen such a poorly trig. was hard to get to without disappearing up to the neck in peat. trig no longer the high spot.. anywhere around the crater rim higher.


Damaged 16th Dec 2006  12:00  by peregrinus

FB Number: NO FB  Condition: Damaged  Score: 6/10

Just the concrete base and Rivet remains, in a sea of boggy peat, undermined by erosion, and leaning. FB formerly 2986. Converted to block 8/70 [OS]. Visited during a recce of the Black Mountains half of the South Wales Traverse.


Remains 27th Aug 2006  11:30  by DanTrig

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Remains  Score: 8/10

Walked up on a few occasions and saw the big concrete block, we always thought it was the trig upside down with the pillar well under the bog. Quite a dull summit but good views, I always thought Pen Y Gadair-Fawr was a better summit. Got lost in Mynydd Du forest afterwards.


Destroyed 13th Feb 2006  10:28  by rhayader_wanderer

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Destroyed  Score: 5/10

A mere formality but there is no sign of damage to the trig foundations though it now looks more like a peak district weathered stone


Damaged 7th Nov 2004  14:00  by Father Ted

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Damaged  Score: 6/10

The poor weather made this a miserable peak. Add reckless mountain bikers to the list of peat summit damagers. I am always worried by the number of people I bump into in poor conditions on the mountain top who ask me which way to go. Where is their map and compass let alone protective gear.

The remaining bolt on Gwynydd Bach
Remaining block on Gwynydd Back


Destroyed 17th Dec 2003  10:51  by Funk to Funky

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Destroyed  Score: 5/10


Toppled 25th Oct 2003  13:15  by NeverLost

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Toppled  Score: 5/10

Trig gone but concrete base still there and now sitting above ground in a large crater caused by erosion.

Concrete base All that remains.


Remains 2nd Oct 2003  11:55  by sleepwalker

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Remains  Score: 5/10

Eventually arrived here in very misty and damp conditions during a round of the local hills. Just the base of the former pillar remains.


Destroyed 2nd Apr 2002  14:00  by Boneychest

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Destroyed  Score: 4/10

This one isn't even marked on OS maps! I don't remember it being here in 1976 when I first walked this route. I remember the hill being completely fogbound though, just like today :-(


Destroyed 10th Dec 2001  13:01  by rhayader_wanderer

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Destroyed  Score: 6/10

Latest of numerous visits to the highest but least impressive summit in the Black mountains


Destroyed 23rd Sep 1999  14:18  by fasgadh

FB Number: 2986  Condition: Destroyed  Score: 6/10

Waun Fach is the highest point in The Black Mountains, and one of the small number of non Scottish Corbetts. It is perhaps the flattest soggiest summit going a, situation not helped by the pony trekkers and many walkers who make the somewhat pointless pilgrimage to this 'summit' There has not been a pillar here for many years. I have been up many times, and at first in 1982 the concrete foundations were flush with the peat surface. Now the foundations are a 'boulder' lying in a peaty depression.

All that is left of the Waun Fach trig. In the middle of this morass,is a concrete 'boulder' this is the foundation of the pillar, missing in 1982.


Destroyed 5th May 1998  14:15  by senrabyar

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Destroyed  Score: 5/10


Remains 5th Apr 1997  12:30  by lonesome_cowboy_burt

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Remains  Score: 5/10

Clockwise circuit from Bont: Pen Cerig Calch - Pen Allt-Mawr - Waun Fach. Low cloud and a boggy flat summit


Destroyed 29th May 1996  12:48  by Crazy

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Destroyed  Score: 3/10

What's wrong with Waun Fach. The morass around the summit block is an effective deterrent to close inspection.


Converted 14th Oct 1995  12:23  by vegibagger

FB Number: 2986  Condition: Converted  Score: 5/10


Not Logged 3rd Sep 1995  00:00  by gowrie

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Not Logged  Score: 5/10


Destroyed 2nd Oct 1994  00:00  by mickandshane

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Destroyed  Score: 0/10

No trig but a large lump of concrete in the middle of a bog where it was.Dismantled (converted to a block 1970)


Destroyed 19th Jun 1994  12:00  by Hartryggers

Gridref: SO 21543 29980   FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Destroyed  Score: 5/10


Destroyed 10th Mar 1984  13:00  by arranc

Gridref: SO 21500 30000   FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Destroyed  Score: 5/10

column base still there, column removed



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