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TP3247 - Fourlaws Hill
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OSGB36 trig archive spreadsheet - IW
Fourlaws HillNY86/2NY86S002391289.74583667.07342.7322PILLAR01/06/1953101/06/1969N0

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This trigpoint:
Is ranked joint 9872nd with 72 other trigs (more).
Has a mean score of 5.21/10 (from 39 logged visits)
Was First logged: 28th Mar 1998
Was Last logged: 23rd Nov 2022

Of the 39 logged visits,
15 recorded a location and of these....

All were within 112m
The average error was 10m
2 were exact

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Good condition 23rd Nov 2022  22:07  by MileswithRiles

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Good  Score: 5/10

Parked in layby on A68 and followed forestry track. Someone has left a very a small stone cairn where you need to come off the track and head through the conifers. There are fallen trees but if you get the right track where a route has been cut is obvious. That said I wouldn't recommend this without GPS and the route out was much easier than route in. Found it very quickly. From road layby its about 1.5 miles out and back. Worth following the forestry track a short way to see the sandstone outcrops of Great Wanney, Wanney and Aid Crags.

Trig Point at Fourlaws You can see it was recently painted, no views to be had at this one!©MileswithRiles
Riley on the trig
Nearby Great Wanney Sandstone Outcrop short walk from trig.

Good condition 23rd Apr 2022  12:24  by painterman61

FB Number: S6629  Condition: Good  Score: 5/10

Drove up the track to car park and went in forest just past the barrier a rough trail leads from here trig in vgc with shelter.

Trig ©painterman61
Trig ©painterman61
Top ©painterman61
Fb ©painterman61

Good condition 17th Apr 2022  13:54  by jonglew

Gridref: NY 91291 83670   FB Number: S6629  Condition: Good  Score: 5/10

Drove forest road to just before locked gate. Entered plantation short distance beyond at NY 9121 8381 for an easy walk to the pillar, located in a shelter cairn... probably useful in days gone by! Pillar has a good coat of white paint, which doesn't extend to the top surface. Original centre cap retained, deeply indented lettering; sight holes not checked as mostly below ground level. Deep in conifers - no views.

Pillar TP3247©jonglew
Spider TP3247©jonglew
Flush Bracket TP3247©jonglew

Good condition 8th Mar 2022  12:25  by JoeNTMY

FB Number: S6629  Condition: Good  Score: 2/10

I advise taking the path, if you can find. The pillar appears to have been painted fairly recently.

Good condition 2nd Jan 2022  10:30  by nichex

FB Number: S6629  Condition: Good  Score: 2/10

tricky pillar to get to.

Good condition 21st Sep 2021  10:33  by Oldhortus

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Good  Score: 5/10

If you want a challenging trig to find this is the one. Tried to find the way in but gave up and went for it. Found the trig in the end. The way out was easy once you are on the right line.

Good condition 14th Mar 2021  16:24  by JemD

FB Number: S6629  Condition: Good  Score: 7/10

Well this nearly defeated me!! After several attempts with Google maps I managed to download the digital version of my OSMaps and battled through following the red triangle . Parked on the track which leads to the barrier after the two masts. Directly behind the car was a trail between the two masses of trees. As the path ascends I spotted the pruned tree as mentioned previously by others (thank you) managed to manoeuvre the subtle trail to the majority of the route. A few twists and turns and fallen huge trees but I managed to find it- Iíll be honest it got called a rude name at this point!! The route back was brutal, managed to lose the path and battled with pine trees and a waist deep water trench which I managed to go straight into 😫 - yes the drive home was interesting but Me 1- trig 0. I would recommend that this isnít done alone, the dense trees means you could be lost for some time!!


Good condition 8th Sep 2020  09:46  by NJM

FB Number: S6629  Condition: Good  Score: 5/10

My second visit, easily found with previous experience. The 'V-shaped' tree is not really V shaped any more, but what remains of it was located by counting out paces from the barrier gate, and there does seem to be a bit a 'path' forming (undoubtedly by ourselves) through the trees and undergrowth to the TP. Still a good sense of satisfaction to actually find it in such dense vegetation!

View North West Storm's TP#90

Good condition 11th Jul 2020  14:54  by CJO

Gridref: NY 91293 83662   FB Number: S6629  Condition: Good  Score: 7/10

All intact. Attempted this 6 or so years ago. Gave up after 20 m due to water laden branches. Trees a little taller now so possible to crawl most of way beneath trees. Pillar inside a circular cairn in a small clearing with wind-fallen trees. Assistant grateful we carried loppers and secateurs. approached from the west. Followed clear path from small car parking spot at end of fire break before wooden gate. At top of short steep bank after ~150m carry on along flat fro 15m then cut west. We cut a few branches from a small tree at side of path and you should see a cut route through the trees.

Good condition 28th Jun 2020  13:48  by A1Mushroom

FB Number: S6629  Condition: Good  Score: 5/10

The V tree trunk has fallen over a little bit and is getting consumed by the others. As you walk along the track from the masts, pass the car park area and the wooden gate it is just before the first big tree. The trig is on a more or less direct line from here. There are a couple of fallen trees to negotiate. If you find your self climbing over and through lots of fallen trees then you have strayed off the faint path. Try to keep to the open area of grass and heather and walk round wind blown trees to the west of them, if you walk around to the east then you will be pushed further and further to the east and further away from the trig.

Good condition 25th May 2019  00:00  by carolje

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Good  Score: 5/10

Good condition 23rd Apr 2018  11:30  by MrHappy

FB Number: S6629  Condition: Good  Score: 5/10

Good condition 24th Nov 2017  12:50  by Nick&Rosie

FB Number: S6629  Condition: Good  Score: 5/10

Found easily on second attempt. First attempt, a couple of weeks earlier, had been an impromptu and un-researched stop off that resulted in 30 minutes of futile thrashing about in the deepening gloom of a dark November late afternoon. Today however, armed with all the info below, no problems at all. If I can add anything helpful, then it is this - from the barrier gate I counted 108 paces along the track to the 'V' shaped dead tree (as shown in the photos). Keep to the right of the "heathery ride", don't get tempted off to the left if it starts to look overgrown, and finally you have to negotate 3 wind fall trunks to reach the stone circle. With this information, Fourlaws TP is possibly easier to locate than Shepherdskirk Hill.

The forest track barrier gate... ...pace out 108 steps from the barrier up the track...
The 'V' shaped dead tree Entrance to the ride through the trees
View North with Rosie
View East
View South
View West

Good condition 19th Sep 2017  16:45  by bwm

Gridref: NY 91290 83672   FB Number: S6629  Condition: Good  Score: 6/10

No view but in small mossy stone circle

Good condition 12th May 2017  09:22  by paulxtr

FB Number: S6629  Condition: Good  Score: 7/10

Quite easy to find now, thanks to the efforts of both caroleengel (for the grid reference of the 'entrance') and offpiste (for the excellent gardening).

Fourlaws Hill ©paulxtr

Good condition 9th Apr 2017  12:13  by ger

Gridref: NY 91289 83667   FB Number: S6629  Condition: Good  Score: 7/10

Initially tried an approach from S, but from sort of NW was more successful. Last visit over 4 years ago, pillar was difficult to find then, even though a lot of the trees were much younger. No views from pillar, but an open canopy - quite atmospheric! There is what looks to be a semi-circular cairn, under moss, surrounding trig. Took secateurs with me & did a little bit of trimming to the already gardened area - also did a little trimming at the forest entrance 'gateway', on return, following a heathery route.

Good condition 23rd Sep 2016  00:00  by beckroad

FB Number: S6629  Condition: Good  Score: 8/10

For shear effort this deserves an 8. Parking on the minor road between Ridsdale and Knowsgate and walking via Wanney and Aid Crag was fine. However finding this trig beyond this point was a major accomplishment. Chuffed to bits. Especially as we relied on a good old map and compass. The wearing of shorts was a bad option.

Good condition 1st Sep 2016  00:00  by caroleengel

Gridref: NY 91290 83665   FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Good  Score: 5/10

Up heathery ride at NY 9122 8381 - head for dead tree remains in shape of a V to find ride

Good condition 17th May 2016  11:36  by amblerbob

Gridref: NY 91290 83665   FB Number: S6629  Condition: Good  Score: 7/10

From Ridsdale. Fought way in from track to north, much easier route out south. Thanks to offpiste, for his handiwork in clearing branches from immediate vicinity of trig, it can now be seen much easier.

Daylight at last. Trig after offpiste's handiwork.

Good condition 2nd May 2016  13:40  by offpiste

FB Number: S6629  Condition: Good  Score: 8/10

A short walk up the forest track then up the edge of the new trees.I spent about 10 minutes looking for the trig point and found it covered in fallen trees etc and covered in moss very hard to find. As I had come prepared when I left the fallen tree branches had gone and hopefully the next visitor will find it much quicker.


Good condition 23rd Apr 2016  18:00  by Borderer

FB Number: S6629  Condition: Good  Score: 5/10

Second attempt at this one, last time spent an unhappy 45 minutes thrashing around the plantation despite trying to head for the highest part. This time with the aid of my phone and the Viewranger app managed to find it although as with the other visitors was right on top of it when I saw it. Came in from the track to the north but can only see the pillar clearly from its western (flush plate) side.


Good condition 23rd Feb 2016  15:36  by Aye Jimmy

Gridref: NY 91291 83662   FB Number: S6629  Condition: Good  Score: 8/10

Not your run-of-the mill trig! As others have mentioned, finding it adds considerable interest so given an 8/10. GPS device said 2m away and still couldn't see it! Need to be stood at correct side.

Fourlaws The trig, easy to see from this side...
Fourlaws Top of trig. OS cap, deeply indented letters.
Fourlaws The FB, lit up with a mini-torch.

Good condition 9th Oct 2015  16:15  by Mickandkim

Gridref: NY 91290 83667   FB Number: S6629  Condition: Good  Score: 7/10

Found from track not fire break Met Bratty and co on track and had a joint effort past dead trees to trig hiding under fallen trees a 7 for the fun and company

Good condition 29th Aug 2015  12:48  by slateloose

Gridref: NY 91200 83600   FB Number: S6629  Condition: Good  Score: 7/10

You need to take a chain saw and your GPS for this one. The route to the trig was very slippery after the rain and walking in from the north along the line of planting made for a slightly easier progress. The chainsaw is to cut your way the last few metres to the trig which is buried under fallen trees. Have fun !

Good condition 10th Feb 2014  11:24  by The RockKnocker

Gridref: NY 91290 83667   FB Number: S6629  Condition: Good  Score: 8/10

Scored this one an 8 becouse it was great fun trying to find it, the GPS said we were withing 14 feet of the pillar but still we could not find it ! Connor climbed into the tangle of trees to locate the pillar.

The RockKnocker at the Trig Connor went in to find this one hidding in the fallen trees, then i went in once he had found it.
The spider
The Trig ! Not easy to find with all these fallen trees on top of it.

Good condition 7th Feb 2013  14:22  by Walker Dan

FB Number: S6629  Condition: Good  Score: 4/10

A bit of a battle through the snow and heather and the trig itself is covered with fallen trees and you need to be just about on top of it to see it. Seems in good condition although the west side is completely coved in moss.

Good condition 23rd Aug 2012  16:49  by stan toon

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Good  Score: 5/10

This one was a hard find even with GPS. would suggest anyone who wants to bag this one does it soon as the newly planted trees are shooting up fast. I followed track from road and then cut up where newly planted trees meet the old trees.

©stan toon
©stan toon

Couldn't find it 19th Jun 2012  10:30  by arranc

Gridref: NY 91290 83675   FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Couldn't find it  Score: 1/10

GPS was within 10m of column but could not see it! Completely felled on the north side of the track. Will have to return in 5 years time.(10 June 2013 another visit - another failure! got GPS reading E/W and then N/S but always 15 m away).

Good condition 13th Mar 2011  11:25  by sheepsocks

FB Number: S6629  Condition: Good  Score: 5/10

Return visit with full GPS reference. Found easier than expected, I would suggest anyone bagging this one either brings GPS or has a good hour to spare as it is buried under fallen trees.

Couldn't find it 2nd Jan 2011  13:30  by sheepsocks

FB Number: Not logged  Condition: Couldn't find it  Score: 2/10

Foolishly didnt check previous logs before trying to find it, so failed to take full 10 figure grid reference with us for the GPS and had to estimate it off the OS map when it became obvious we were not going to find the trig visually. Is buried in a mass of fallen trees and snowdrifts so we gave up after half an hour of rather dangerous stumbling around... lucky not to have broken anything. Possibly it is more buried under trees than when last visited 2.5y ago. Will return when the snow has gone with the full co-ordinates.

Good condition 26th Jul 2008  09:46  by coinea

Gridref: NY 91290 83665   FB Number: S6629  Condition: Good  Score: 6/10

Good condition 26th Jul 2008  09:45  by clochandighter

Gridref: NY 91291 83667   FB Number: S6629  Condition: Good  Score: 7/10

HISTORY: Pillar completed 13th October 1951 costing £20.13s.3d. Computed as secondary triangulation station NY86/2 in the Hexham block during 1953. Levelled for height to Class 1 precision, tertiary standards 1969. Last maintained by the OS in July 1978. SITE VISIT: Had difficulty locating this pillar amongst the fallen trees. Eventually found after resorting to GPS. Pillar in good condition. Spider retains OS centre plug with deep indented letters, boulder still on top. Flush bracket faces WSW, compass measurement 257į. Vented through southerly sight hole. Some localised gardening was required in order to photograph the FB side of the pillar.

S6629 - Fourlaws Hill pillar & FB.

Good condition 13th Mar 2007  12:00  by iainmac

FB Number: S6629  Condition: Good  Score: 2/10


Good condition 2nd Aug 2005  11:55  by jimmy

Gridref: NY 91288 83663   FB Number: S6629  Condition: Good  Score: 3/10

a moss covered trig still hidden in the forest but the clear felling is getting nearer

the spider with its rock
won't be setting up on this just yet

Good condition 7th Jun 2004  15:45  by fasgadh

FB Number: S6629  Condition: Good  Score: 4/10

Fight! In windthrow next to a felled area. Also mossy, so quite fun to find. Intact with a painted stone on top. Allen key moron, will just have to move the stone, hope it lands on his foot.

Fourlaws Hill Metal
Fourlaws Hill In amongst the windthrow.

Good condition 31st Mar 2004  14:45  by mickandshane

FB Number: S6629  Condition: Good  Score: 5/10

Half the forest has been felled and there are fallen trees around the trig which made it difficult to find. Plug with indented lettering.

Good condition 17th Aug 2003  17:00  by lepustimidus

Gridref: NY 91291 83662   FB Number: S6629  Condition: Good  Score: 2/10

Traditional trig. Top intact. In trees that are being felled. Bottom half covered in moss. Difficult to get to because of fallen trees.

Good condition 17th Nov 2002  12:00  by peregrinus

FB Number: S6629  Condition: Good  Score: 5/10

metal cap, 2p on top, in mass of windfall, no view, gps+chainsaw may help! - TP half buried in windfelled conifers, GPS/chainsaw advisable? For summit pick a highpoint

Good condition 28th Mar 1998  12:07  by andyc

FB Number: S6629  Condition: Good  Score: 6/10

Difficult to find in Forest. Several young trailbikers at local farm.

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